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McClellan
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 Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 5:32:55 PM
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Let's take a look at some of things going on in Morrow County. Just recently we heard or read in the Dispatch that the court in Morrow County sued the county commissioners and won. Also, the county offices over there are requiring that you bring your own paper to have anything printed out. There have been two drive by shootings, 1 was off county road 24 and the other was off county road 170-i think(check for verification) The jail was closed but has since been re-opened with federal aid.
No one wants higher taxes but what is $.25 on a hundred dollar purchase. My stance is to inact a temporary sales tax, vote out every incumbent and stand up to the politicans so they know we are not going to lay down and let them spend our money frivolously ( ie land at the fairgrounds just for example.) We need to make sure they know they work for us and not there personal agenda.
If youre not registered to vote then get it done! If you are registered, get informed and do it. That is the only way to hold them accountable. Voting was a gift from the founding fathers as a method of checks and balances. This country, this county as a whole is educated enough to make our voices heard. The turnout of registered voters at every election sickens me.
Is anyone really happy with the job of our county commissioners?
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cateyes
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 7:43:34 PM
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McClellan WHY would you give the commissiioner more money with a levy..but say you want to hold them accountable...
We need to get the point across...they need to be accountable NOW..and then MAYBE money..but there is still much that can be done before more money.
Why is it we are all cutting back...since our income is not going up....we know we just have to cut back on things we like..or maybe sorta need...but we cut anyway.
Cutting back office hours..and changing the hours of open..can be used to help the budget..we can NOT afford what has been yesterdays way of doing business..
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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McClellan
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 8:13:25 PM
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Snake eys:
I would rather give them a little money and boot them out the door to save jobs. That way the new comm. have a little something to work with. There are people in the county offices that get up and go to work everyday to serve the citizens of this county and to watch them get laid off because the comm. mismanaged money is inexcusable. They way i see it is this...... it looks like the comm. decided to play with our money and spend it on frivolous land etc. and now it sounds like... oh well sorry we played and now you pay so youre laid off.
NothingReallyMatters
If you can't afford a quarter percent sales tax than maybe you should sell off your horses. Or quit taking trips to Florida. |
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 8:18:01 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
property taxes went up....alittle
county sales tax increase...but only a little
state sales tax increases but just on some itemms, and just a little
Federal income tax increase coning real soon
federal taxes increase...but only on some products and only a little
what next? A Value Added Ta...well, as long as it's "just a little"..
wake the hell up folks
Are you talking tax on cigs? Also how do you know for sure that the Feds are doing anything????
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 8:48:58 PM
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TMM and S.D.B Apparently some are not aware that most of the departments are already on reduced hours, and have taken furlough days and other misc. cuts just to meet this year’s 9% cuts. Now the commissioners say they need 11% more cuts for 2010. The department heads told them the only way to even come close is to shut down on Fridays, furloughs and layoffs. The commissioners were upset with the department heads answers. Where did the commissioners think they could come up with 20% cuts without taking these measures? The commissioners said the department heads were just being punitive.
So if we are going to 4 day weeks that’s fine and the employees would be glad to do it but can you suggest what 3 days the cops should shut down? Remember the commissioners said this is across the board all departments are equal, all must give their share.
SBD. If I had a job making 55K a year and only working 12 to 18 hours a week I would consider myself part time.....and very lucky, and when I found out it was guarenteed by law for 4 years I would be doing cartwheels!!!!!
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 15 2009 8:56:49 PM |
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 9:08:55 PM
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TMM and Larry I have not put down Morrow County in fact I feel bad for the financial situation they are in. I just hope we (all counties) don't get into that finacial shape. When the courts and offices shut down because of lack of paper and the Sheriff says there are times when no officers are working, but some that are left can respond from home if needed. I don't want to see it happen here.
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Steve.Deserved.Better
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 9:25:30 PM
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AproudAmerican, I was wondering where the 12 to 18 hours figures came from. Are you stating this as fact, that they are only working 12-18 hours a week, in the office, outside of the office for meetings?
I am not taking a stance one way or the other. Was just wondering where these numbers came from. If they are spot on, it is a good gig for someone, I agree.
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SBD. If I had a job making 55K a year and only working 12 to 18 hours a week I would consider myself part time.....and very lucky, and when I found out it was guarenteed by law for 4 years I would be doing cartwheels!!!!!
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 10:41:06 PM
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Originally posted by Steve.Deserved.Better
AproudAmerican, I was wondering where the 12 to 18 hours figures came from. Are you stating this as fact, that they are only working 12-18 hours a week, in the office, outside of the office for meetings?
I am not taking a stance one way or the other. Was just wondering where these numbers came from. If they are spot on, it is a good gig for someone, I agree.
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SBD. If I had a job making 55K a year and only working 12 to 18 hours a week I would consider myself part time.....and very lucky, and when I found out it was guarenteed by law for 4 years I would be doing cartwheels!!!!!
I can't state for a fact on the hours because they vary but from what I've heard it is generally 12 to 18 hours a week or several hours in meetings here and there..
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 15 2009 10:46:02 PM |
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 10:52:07 PM
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Commissioner Bemiller addressed this in an earlier communication with me. Public meeting days (Monday and Thursday) end anywhere between 6:00 and 8:30 p.m. Besides Monday and Thursday, she in the office a portion of the other days depending on her meeting schedule. Each Commissioner is appointed to approximately eight Boards and committees. Many of those meet on the days they do not have public sessions. There are also many night and weekend events to attend. Commissioners are always available by cell phone or home phone. She also stated that she would be quite willing to show anyone her calendar for the past nine months.
Her offer was gracious, and I am "assuming" Commissioners Stockberger and Wise would also to share their calendars, should anyone wish to review them.
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Originally posted by McClellan
I would rather give them a little money and boot them out the door to save jobs. That way the new comm. have a little something to work with. There are people in the county offices that get up and go to work everyday to serve the citizens of this county and to watch them get laid off because the comm. mismanaged money is inexcusable. They way i see it is this...... it looks like the comm. decided to play with our money and spend it on frivolous land etc. and now it sounds like... oh well sorry we played and now you pay so youre laid off.
I agree 100%
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 12:15:53 AM
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Did ANYONE here take accounting??? did you pass??
What is so hard to understand...when your income is lowered..you MUST match the expenses to lower..unless of course you have a surplus to pull from..but even with that ..the day would come..expenses would have to come in line with income..
Accounting 101..
Now lets go to real life...IF we cut expenses NOW..by more hours cut back(many of do know there is already cost cutting in place)and have that affect utilities...that can be cost saving...
Do I want people to loose their job..NO BUT a job with less hours is better than NO job...tht is real life.
And with property taxes...which will be re-appraied in a short time .and values LOWERED..there will be less income again..and not far down the road.
So I am saying we NEED to look NOW and DOWN THE ROAD and try to salvage all we can for now and tomorrow. And all this means we need board members that understand not just the basics of accounting..but the hard cold facts of cuts MUST be made or more serious things will come not far away...then what.
The school system as a whole has been running like a ol' boys club...if you are in..you are really in...this must come to an end.
I think also any that go on the school board now..know darn well now...THEY (all) will be watched as never before. THAT works to the good of our community.
I am sure many a business person reading this is questioning why cant they get it...business is down..income is down..so they MUST cut back buying inventory, etc..but still try to please customers...and yet their property taxes have been appraised at a yesterday value so taxes will be according...and in turn since his income is down..so be it the taxes on that.
Around and Around...but the facts still being us back..to not enough income..expenses much be lowered to..so we have some services rather than none.
I would rather stand in a line..for however long..knowing...jobs were SAVED..even if the hours were cut..
OH and I also have been in the tag office MANY times when only one or two others are there at the same time...first of the month..is BUSY BUSY..so I try to avoid that time if possible..
The auto title office I have stood in line the longest...especially when I happen to get behind a dealer with many titles in hand..(that most likely isnt happening as often now either) Did I grip...no ....just planned my time to be there and wait...
Come on...as I have said...we can NOT afford the whole pie as we could yesterday..so today I will be happy with 3/4 of that pie..in hopes that will be cuts enough til better returns.
And the SO is not in this thinking as much as other departments..but I also know...LE is not all there is to preventing crime, but has some necessary needs for our community.
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 06:31:21 AM
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Cateyes - you can go on and on and on about "cutting hours" but the department heads flatly stated that they couldn't cut corners any more than they have, and that they would be forced to layoff employees - you obviously don't take them seriously (or, like stockberger when he threw his fit, thought they were being "punitive")
I believe what those department heads are predicting, and would bet that such layoffs begin soon - right around Thanksgiving, and with few to no options for another job; and no prospects in the near future, as there is no agency in town trying to lure businesses to our community to improve the unemployment situation
I think I'll opt for the 25 cents on every hundred dollars option to ensure that our unemployment rate doesn't rise - I wouldn't want to explain to anyone who's laid off, or perhaps their children, why I refused to pay that measly 25 cents for every hundred dollars and helped place them in the unemployment line 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 08:57:38 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by cateyes
Did ANYONE here take accounting??? did you pass??
You seem to have all the answers and are a cpa, so please you and nrm go set up a meeting with the commissioners and tell them how to run the county. As I've said before no employees are complaining about 4 day weeks, it was the commissioners!!!!!!!
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 09:37:25 AM
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Everyone keeps passing the buck on why we are in financial trouble. I checked the state audit and our investments made $700,000.00 less than expected, so why do they tell us we are about $1,500,000.00 in the hole? Or could it be a combination of less investment returns and needless spending? No matter what happens I'm sure we will be watching how they spend our money more...Grants for this and grants for that, but very very few grants are 100%. Bike paths are nice but when they are in better shape than our roads there's a problem. The fair is nice but how much money goes into it (for one week a year) from county funds and how much do we get back. Remember it's like $5.00 a person to get in and the fair gets a % of concessions and sales. How much do they make in one week and does any come back to the taxpayers? How about the $600,000.00+ land purchase for the fairgrounds? Can we sell it now for what we paid? It'll be hard when it is only appraised for 166,000.00. Needless spending and now the taxpayers get it....
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curious mind
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 10:47:03 AM
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awwwwwww - don't go knocking the county fair - after all - Commissioner Wise makes plenty of money on his propane contract with the Fair Board, dontchaknow 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 2:41:45 PM
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Well you dont even need to be a CPA to understand the numbers...even one year of accounting gives you much insight(I have more than that FYI).....so I take it ..you never took accounting..which is different then bookkeeping..
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Originally posted by aproudamerican
[quote]Originally posted by cateyes
Did ANYONE here take accounting??? did you pass??
You seem to have all the answers and are a cpa, so please you and nrm go set up a meeting with the commissioners and tell them how to run the county. As I've said before no employees are complaining about 4 day weeks, it was the commissioners!!!!!!!
A Proud American
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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