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asd
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 Posted - Oct 04 2009 : 5:12:41 PM
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Ohio has a castle doctrine. Not everyone owns a gun, not every person can protect themselves. We have to remember that this is not just about the Sheriff's Office this effcts EVERY COUNTY OFFICE.
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2009/03/ohios-pro-gun-attitude-and-ena.html
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 04 2009 : 6:08:38 PM
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Would bet that the County Commissioners won't get too much flack from the community for a 1/4% tax increase - everyone's witnessed what's happened to Morrow County, and no one wants the same to occur here......
It does seem to be time, however, to replace some of them - Bemiller hasn't served long enough to get a good read on, but from what I've seen so far, is a "listener" and a "doer." Not so with Stockberger and Wise, and I believe Wise is up for re-election next year - will be interesting to see who throws their hat in the ring for his seat ......
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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Benjamin Franklin
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Posted - Oct 04 2009 : 8:18:31 PM
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| along election lines I am beginning to wonder about Jay Manner (spelling) I see he supports - signs on HIS property - the Freshwater candidates. |
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 04 2009 : 9:48:55 PM
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that may be - but the members of City Council have no influence one way or another on what happens with the School Board.
I've listened to what Maners has to say - I realize he's ultraconservative - and I've heard way too much from Bert Hanson - I believe Maners will take the opinions of Mount Vernon residents more seriously, be more communicative with, and have more respect for the good of the city vs. Hanson's parroting Mavis' every desire and decision, and his willingness to spend city funds on his own pet projects without looking at other money-saving alternatives Am hoping Maners unseats him.
jmho
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 05 2009 : 1:00:30 PM
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Originally posted by cateyes
NRM may not live here..but he is stating facts....WHEN was the last time you ever saw gov roll back taxes??/ so when they are put in place..they stay FOREVER.. and usually it is not long..til they come back to ask for more...then what??
First, as far as law enforement.. the sheriff needs to prove to us...WHY he needs what he says he does...if he can show cause..then that needs addressed..
Second...neighberhood watches need to come into place..real ones...organizted ones..as they have in many others areas to curb crime...working in conjuction WITH LE...with LE holding meetings and helping to organise these..and rules for what to do and when..
I have been on these in other areas...it can work here..but only with US being willing to pull shifts to assist LE..
This is OUR COMMUNITY..and WE need to be invovled...to help US thru this time....IF this is done properly...it allows LE not to have to run all over about nothings..but focus on important issues that LE need to address.
It is well know...good neighood watchs help PREVENT crime...crooks would rather go to an area where they are none. Prevention also saves gas..to the LE isnt just driviing around watching for crime....the watchs handle much of that..then call when assistance is needed or crime in progress.
Anyone heard our city police saying much about his budget..and how is it being addressed??
just how is the city budget over all...anyone know?? any cutbacks going into place..in any departments??
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
Cateyes
I would like to address some of your comments, but first let me say this. I am a fireman, I've lived in this county for 43 years and I have friends in some of the county offices including the Sheriff's Office. Now with that being said, on to my comments.
You stated that the Sheriff should show his "needs". The largest part of his budget is the State Mandated Jail. This includes State Mandated staffing, prisoner health, medical, dental,prescriptions, food and toiletries. Do you know how much it cost in medical and dental needs alone for 60 or 70 inmates????? How about the food for them??? Do you know what the utilities, the water, sewer and electric needs of 60 to 70 inmates cost??? How about the cost of cleaning and toiletries and other supplies for the jail??? The Commissioners also thought the Sheriff wasn’t doing his part to get out of county prisoners housed in our jail so they decided they could do better. Well ask them how many they got????
Now let’s address the neighborhood watch that was started and ran by the Sheriff’s Community Relations. They had meetings, training for citizens as well as self defense classes for the general public. Well that is a mute point, because the Community Relations and DARE officers were reassigned to the jail and patrol because of cutbacks and furlough days. Also a note concerning this, a certain Commissioner told the Sheriff and some of his employees in a meeting in (I believe July) that he and his constituents have concerns why he still has DARE and Comm. Relations programs in economic times like these.…..He was advised there would be departmental wide restructuring to make the cuts and allow for furlough days. This was witnessed by a reporter and several business owners. A Commissioner then asked the Sheriff in a public meeting several weeks ago why he suspended the DARE program???????
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skillet30
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Posted - Oct 06 2009 : 4:25:44 PM
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| Lets charge inmates with a stay tax or book in/filing fee. The courts have court cost in with the fines of a ticket, why not a book in fee for staying at the jail. |
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 06 2009 : 5:12:32 PM
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Will look at the Ohio Revised Code to see if state law allows such fees - however, even if it does, refusing or neglecting to pay such fees would probably be covered under civil, rather than criminal, law, and pretty much unenforceable......at least not with additional jail time - only civil lawsuit judgments
am interested now to see what's what with that idea......
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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digger07
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 04:01:58 AM
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Originally posted by skillet30
Lets charge inmates with a stay tax or book in/filing fee. The courts have court cost in with the fines of a ticket, why not a book in fee for staying at the jail.
Don't know about that, but I do know that for several years now whenever an inmate needed hospital or dental care during any part of their incarceration, that the jail administration did what they could to collect that cost to the sheriff's office back from the inmate. Don't know if that curtailed some of the frivolous trips to the emergency room, or how the S.O. is doing in collecting, but I heard it was in place.
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 10:45:21 AM
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I'm not sure on the legality of forcing them to pay for stay, although I think it would be a great law. Unfortunately the county is obligated to take care of their medical / dental / food / clothing / toiletries / safety and if they cant afford one, an attorney....If an inmate is refused these could you imagine the law suit ???
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 11:16:03 AM
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On a lighter note, I thought these were to funny. Imagine how much in legal fees these racked up !!!!!!
* (U.S. v. Bottoson): Bottoson, convicted of federal firearms charges
and postal fraud, and faced state court charges for the kidnapping and
murder of a female postal employee. The defendant sought post-conviction
relief in the federal court, and in a letter to the court said: "This
defendant is accused of murder in the state of Florida, this defendant
goes to a church which believes in the raising of the dead, which is the
defendants right under the Constitution of the United States. This
defendant wrote a letter ... stating his religious belief that if the
body of the deceased [postal employee] were to be taken from the ground
and brought into the defendants church the Lord of life would bring back
the deceased. ... The defendant feels his 'Religious Freedom' under the
constitution were violated, anyone has the right to his/her own belief
under Freedom of Religion. Defendant now asks this court to uphold his
rights under the constitution of the United States."
* A suit by a prisoner who claimed that the Department of Corrections
planted an electronic device in his brain. (Calif.)
* (Moody v. Miller): A Texas inmate filed twenty-two complaints,
alleging civil rights violations, including violations of his right to
use the telephone, his right not to be required to walk barefoot across
a cold floor, his right not to be issued pants that are too small.
* A suit by Lee Barnett challenging the stamping of his mail to
indicate it was sent from a state prison. (Calif.)
* A Georgia inmate filed petition alleging that he was a victim of a
"Behavior Modification Program" conducted by the prison, and that the
"controlling system is a watchful eye of the State through electronic
suveillance of the human body ..." The system, he claimed, "combs" his
body and "wantonly monitors and picks up sounds and voices, but is also
tuned directly to plaintiff's brain." The plaintiff sought $500,000 in
damages, claiming the State had "no right without any permission from
plaintiff to probe his mind and body with electric current or parabolic
sound waves." (Jones v. Ault)
* A prisoner in Idaho filed suit after guards refused to "tidy up" his
cell after a search.
* (Gordon v. N.J.): The Inmate, a "certified candidate for the office
of President of the U.S." filed suit claiming "that he was unlawfully
arrested in December 1975 while campaigning in the New Hampshire
primary, and unlawfully jailed until March 15, 1976, and accordingly
claimed that the 1976 presidential election was fraudulent and that new
"legal" elections had to be held for the office of President. He also
claimed that "Had there been a free legal 1976 Presidential election, he
would now be the President."
* Beaty v. Bury: A death-row inmate sues corrections officials for
taking away his Gameboy electronic game. (Arizona)
* (Demos v. Kincheloe...): This inmate filed 184 separate actions in a
little more than three yearsincluding ones alleging: all Washington
State law is unconstitutional because statutes subsequent to the 1881
code were not ratified by Congress; a claim for damages because prison
guards refused to address him by his Islamic name; a request to require
Congress to redraft language in the Declaration of Independence; a claim
of unlawful discrimination on the basis of sex because the State would
not honor his request to be transferred to an all-women correctional
institution; and a claim that the U.S. Treasury Dept violated his civil
rights by discontinuing the practice of backing treasury notes by
silver.
* Trice v. Reynolds: Ex-chef sues because the food was bad, yet he
wanted bigger portions. (Oklahoma)
* Searight v. N.J.: Searight claimed he was taken to the Eye, Ear and
Speech Clinic, where the State of New Jersey unlawfully injected him in
the left eye with a radium electric beam, and that someone now talks to
him on the inside of his brain. He sought $12 million in damages
* Murderer sues for $25,000, claiming a "defective" haircut resulted in
lost sleep, headaches, and chest pains. (New York)
* Sir Keenan Kester Cofield an Alabame inmate was creative. Besides
filing over a hundred actions against prison officials in various
Alabama courts.. One court said "Cofield is an overly litigious fellow.
Among the many suits he has brought from his jail cell are suits against
both McDonald's and Burger King for using pork fat in the oil used to
fry french fried potatoes, thereby poisoning his body, mind and soul. He
has brought at least three libel actions against various newspapers for
prematurely printing his obituary. He also brought an action against
Coca-Cola alleging that a bottle of Coke he drank was filled with ground
glass. He has threatened or sued various restaurants in various cities
alleging food poisoning; it was later discovered that Cofield was
incarcerated at the time he supposedly was eating in these restaurants."
* Young v. Murphy: Prisoner sues for not receiving scheduled parole
hearing, though he was out on escape when the hearing was held.
(Mississippi)
* Inmate, calling himself a sports fanatic, complains that, as a result
of cruel and unusual punishment, he was forced to miss the NFL playoffs,
especially between Miami and San Diego, San Diego and Pittsburgh, and
Dallas and San Francisco. (Arkansas)
* Carter v. Ingalls: Inmate filed suit against the Georgia State Prison
hospital administrator, alleging receiving improper medication for his
ailments, which included "blue ink and glass in the General sensory
area" of his brain, along with amnesia and failing eyesight and claimed
the proper medication was "Cocane of Porcane." In a letter to the
court,he claimed the hospital had put the blue ink and glass in his
brain, had put his head in a sack with a rattlesnake which bit his face
and cracked his skull, and that he was forced to have sexual contact
with the snake. In a separate action against the warden and an inmate,
Carter alleged that the warden had "gave hisreliable informers fake
Pictures of me haveing [sic] sex with a dog ..."
* Brittaker v. Rowland: Inmate says his meal was in poor condition. He
claims his sandwich was soggy and his cookie was broken. (Calif)
* Beverly v. Groose: Suit says inmates working in prison law library
should be paid same rate as attorneys. (Missouri)
--- Florida A.G.'s Top 10 Frivolous Prison Inmate Lawsuits
10) Prisoner claims discrimination because he was not given a Department
of Corrections raincoat like other inmates. (Walker v. DOC)
9) Prisoner sues to be served fresh rather than reconstituted milk.
(Gerteisen v. Bowers)
8) Prisoner sues for right to conduct martial arts sparring and full-
contact fighting as part of his religion. (Gibson v. Miller)
7) Prisoner sues over being served three cheese sandwiches a day for one
week while in disciplinary confinement. (Derks v. Perrin, Jr.)
6) Prisoner sues because he was required to eat off of a paper plate.
(Procup v. Strickland, et al)
5) Prisoner who has filed more than 140 actions in state and federal
court sues over finding gristle in his turkey leg. (Attwood v. Bowers)
4) Prisoner sues to be served fruit juice at meals and three pancakes
instead of two. (Spradley v.Rathman)
3) Prisoner who murdered five people sues after lightning knocks out the
prison's TV satellite dish and he must watch network programs which he
says contain violence, profanity and other objectionable material.
(Jackson v. Barton)
2) Prisoner sues to be given Reeboks, Adidas, Pony or Avia brand
hightops rather than inferior brand sneakers issued by prison. (Brown v.
Singletary)
1) Prisoner who lost a lawsuit claiming his rights as a Muslim were
violated because the prison put "essence of swine" in his food announces
his conversion to Satanism and sues for tarot cards and doves' blood.
(Marshall v. DOC)
-- Suits By Harry Franklin, An Inmate In The Oregon State Penitentiary
* Franklin claimed he was denied daily half-hour out-of-cell walks. The
judge found this claim surprising, because in other filings Franklin
alleged he was crippled.
* He claimed prison guards abridged his "right to be supplied" with T-
shirts, a claim which had previously been dismissed.
* He claimed he did not receive "some unspecified medical treatment
because an officer neglected to wake him from his afternoon nap,"
causing him "mental frustration," which the judge learned meant "that
someone got his dander up."
* Franklin sued prison guards who he alleged "wear clopping heels on
their boots, which causes plaintiff to feel he's in a Natsy [sic] prison
camp."
* He asserted that his right to free speech was violated because prison
staff discliplined him "for commenting on a guard's allegedly out-of-
wedlock birth."
* He sought $3 million in damages for "mental frustration" he suffered
when a Portland television station allegedly misidentified a "14 wheeler
tractor and trailer rig" as an "18 wheeler."
* Franklin launched constitutional challenges to Oregon statutes which
denied felons the ability to be candidates for public office or to vote
during their incarceration.
* Franklin brought up some Oregon history in one of his claims. In
1923, the D'Autermont boys robbed a train in the Sikiyou Mountains,
killing several railroadmen. According to Franklin, since the incident,
trains blew their whistles as they pass the penitentiary in the early
morning hours, violating his "right to public piece [sic]." The judge
found that "Even assuming the railroads do carry on such a heinous
practice, it would not violate one of Franklin's federally protected
rights."
* He sued "Ronal Regan and his constiuants [sic]" for $8.9 million for
"violation of undue restraint" in connection with an Oregon seatbelt
law. he believed the law was underinclusive because it did not apply to
bicycles and horses as well as cars.
* He complained that he lost sleep on three occasions because the
penitentiary's steam heater pipes snap and pop, and that he endured
"Harassment by Water" because the prison authority's over-watering of
the prison yard in the summer made it difficult for him to find a dry
place to lie down.
* He claimed the pentitentiary's cleanliness rules violated his
"constitutional right to accumulate an unlimited number of newspaper
clippings."
* Franklin was also a reformer, suing Oregon's governor, attorney
general, legislators, and judges for failing "to pass Legislation which
would keep our System such as The Courts, &/or Jails from being so
corrupt."
* He complained that the penitentiary food service bakes desserts in
aluminum rather than stainless steel pans, and that he could not eat
from aluminum pans because the "scrapings" from the pans would "settle
in [his] Human Joints."
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Carlos
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Posted - Oct 08 2009 : 06:58:18 AM
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| Does anyone have info on the commissioner's salry, as well as their assistant? I know the commissioners meet twice a week, but when I have been through the county building on the other days I usually don't see them. Do they normally work on the other days of the week? |
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 08 2009 : 08:48:28 AM
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You know I've wondered that myself. How much do they get paid and how many hours a week do they actually work? Someone told me they only work 2 days a week and make 43,000 a year,thats why they all have other jobs or businesses, unknown how accurate this is.
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 08 2009 : 08:56:41 AM
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http://www.ccao.org/LinkClick.aspx?link=CAB+MJ%2FCAB+200705.pdf&tabid=355&mid=974&language=en-US
Their salaries are set - check out the above link
however, it would be nice if the Commissioners would share with the public just what services and expenses THEY'VE cut to mirror the cuts they've asked of others........
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 08 2009 : 1:12:28 PM
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A salary of 44 or 45,000 insn't bad for part time work. If we get about a 1000 more people they'll get about a 10,000 raise......CM do you know what they actually work? Did they donate any money back to the general fund since all county employees had to???? Did they give up their raises for this and next year????
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 08 2009 : 1:22:06 PM
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aproudamerican - it would be my pleasure to send an email today addressing each and every one of your questions - there's one I find that answers my questions quickly and succinctly that I have a lot of respect for - and they're ALL used to receiving emails of inquiry from me 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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