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aproudamerican
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 Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 8:09:46 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkerbell
Let me get this straight NRM. You work for an employer, you pay into social security and your employer matches...that is OK But, if your employer happens to be a government entity and you and your employer both contribute to a retirement fund it is stealing? The government entity is your employer. The money the public sector employer makes comes from the public from the goods they purchase. The money from the government sector comes from the public, through taxes. The government is also a business, it provides a service thru each of its departments.
Government employees cannot retire under social security. The state of Ohio government employees hired after 1986 pay into social security medicare, but use OPERS for medical. Many government employees that retire still work, and most in the public sector. They then pay into social security, even though they cannot use it towards their retirement. I have come to believe there is some jealousy towards those that chose to spend their life in government jobs. Everyone had their own chance to chose their career path. As I told my kids when they went out into the world, look at the whole package, not just wages. The package includes retirement and medical benefits.
AKA: Sgt/Sammy
Thank you Tinkerbell. You hit the nail on the head...
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Tinkerbell
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 10:05:41 PM
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Editor....I really need an 'eye rolling icon' so I have something short to post in response to NRM. 
NRM, you are such a 'chain yanker'.
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Edited by - Tinkerbell on Oct 26 2009 10:07:32 PM |
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RockandRollmama
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 08:37:53 AM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
"your employer" is stealing money from the taxpayer.
I already said the military retirees are included...why is it you guys are so f'ked up you can't see this?
We the taxpayer are being stolen from by the unions, the cops and the firement specifically. We have no say in it so we need to stand up and fight...time to rock and roll
You can start to make a difference NRM by handing over your retirement to ME. That will make me feel better about you stealing from my children.
What if nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? Or what's worse, what if only that fat guy in the third row exists?
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 09:39:23 AM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
"your employer" is stealing money from the taxpayer.
I already said the military retirees are included...why is it you guys are so f'ked up you can't see this?
We the taxpayer are being stolen from by the unions, the cops and the firement specifically. We have no say in it so we need to stand up and fight...time to rock and roll
Where did you say this? Please respond with your Quote.
So just to clarify: Anyone getting a retirement that is funded by any taxpayer money are stealing and considered theives?
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 27 2009 09:48:03 AM |
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 10:21:48 AM
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Sorry I can't find it, only these:
Government employees should be giving back more to the community as well. Firement sit around doing nothing, waiting for the bells to sound (which very seldom happen at all), the firemen could be working at the hospitals while they are waiting for the alarm, or the cops could double up as firemen.
When you sit on your fat ass and collect thousands of dollars a month, and then say that people who can't afford to eat should pay even more in taxes so you can stay sitting on your fat ass makes you a loser piece of ****.
To call for the theft of money from good people who already pay far more into a government than they get out of the government is treason in my book.
Atlas has shrugged and government workers are soon to be without a paycheck. You are unwilling to give up your retirement to keep firefighters employed so don't look at us to pay more in taxes for a service 99.9% of us don't
They are shutting a city down here right now...and they said it is retiree benefits to cops and firemen that has blown up their budget....remember that....a city is gone and more are to follow...putting the government worker retirement plans at the feet of the other cities...dominoe effect....
Skillet, that is the budget problem here. Look, a cop works for 25 years and then collects a pension for another 40 years...that isn't sustainable...and inherently unfair to the taxpayer.
You raise their pay, raise their benefits each year and that crushes a current budget. if oyu beed $1 million for the city...and $800,000 of that is benefits to cops and firement who no longer work...that's a big problem for people who need police and fire services today..and is a major impact on all budgets...unsustainable.
Wasting 600,000 is nothing compared to the daily dollars you pay into the union retirement funds. To pay people who no longer provide a service over paying people to provide services today. It is not sustainable in a decaying society.
No private businesses offer retirement anymore. The ones who do will be bankrupt before they make any new payments. The government needs to stop the promise of a lifetime retirement for a couple decades of service...it is wrong to promise our grandchildrens hard earned dollars for folks to sit around and be paid for no longer producing.
Right now, moving to over 10% unemployement, I could offer $25 an hour with no benefits to be a cop or fireman and have lines of qualified people ready to serve. They work, they get paid...they "retire" the payments stop. Long term, this would reduce government budgets by more than 50%...across the board...all taxes...ALL TAXES...could be cut in half..property, sales, state income, federal income, gasoline, cigarettes, alcohol....ALL TAXES COULD BE CUT IN HALF.
So, if every cop and fireman would step out of retirement and volunteer at what they do well...we would not need active duty cops and firemen at the same levels we have today.
You really don't read others posts do ya? If you are getting a retirement check, you get to keep it, you just have to come back to work....or the check stops...do something creative, since more then twice the number of people are drawing state retirement pay as are working, the retirees cna work 1/3 time for their pay...and the active folks get an hourly rate that is super sweet...but they only work 15 hours a week....let's say...$40 an hour..no other benefits.
We save an absolute fortune, no new retirees are created for the grandchildren of the taxpayer to fund...and the current retires get their money but have to give back 15 hours a week.
It is an option that should absolutely be explored...some of the returning cops could finally be tried for their previous crimes :-)
Social security is one thing as it is 100% paid for by the employee and his employer (50-50) but when government workers "retire" they get a pension that comes from tomorrows taxpayers.
By NRM..
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 27 2009 10:23:07 AM |
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 10:27:04 AM
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PS.. When all the retired employees around the country are working their required 15 hours that means less people will need to be employeed. So do we just kill them or what? How about the old, handicapped, disabled who are "non-productive" and can't work?? As someone posted earlier, sounds like another man Hitler!!!!!!!!
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 10:37:58 AM
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Also did you know that alot of fulltime firemen and retired firemen are volunteers (unpaid)on other fire departments and alot of retired Law Enforcement Officers stay on as auxillary(unpaid) officers...
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 11:20:04 AM
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So just to clarify: Anyone getting a retirement that is funded by any taxpayer money are stealing and considered theives?
Please answer I'm dying to hear you say it
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 1:49:43 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
good god dude, you need to breath....post after post after post...please get your thoughts together and post a couple of sentences.
Like my man Einstein said, "If you can't state it simply, you don't know it well enough"
Unlike you, I don't think taxes shoulld be taken by force from taxpayers to "employ people"...if I don't need a product or service, I aint paying anymore, and I am calling on all real Americans to do the same.
We have a bunch of cops and firemen sitting on their asses right now, and I am paying them, yet I am now heading out to rake leaves...maybe they should be doing that?
Myself and all other taxpayers are paying EVERY RETIREE to as you put it sit "on their asses" Please answer the previous question about retirees being thieves...I'll keep asking till you do and also how about my bet below ?
Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
Wow...people who can still work but refuse to need to earn their keep. This concept of living off someone elses grandchild is beyond reprehensible.
Social security is one thing as it is 100% paid for by the employee and his employer (50-50) but when government workers "retire" they get a pension that comes from tomorrows taxpayers.
It is generational theft...union sponsored
Get this, these government workers refuse to pay into the social security system, so you and I have to support THEIR grandparents now...refuse to pay into social security as a non-government worker AND YOU GO TO JAIL...figure that one out.
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You think S.S is not funded by taxpayer money? Do you want to bet????
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 27 2009 1:53:25 PM |
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skillet30
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 2:12:16 PM
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NRM, how do you intend to make your little plan work? Paying for the services you only need? What if your house burnt down or you were in a car wreck and you didn't pay for that service that month or whatever. Who would be stuck with the bill because you didn't want to pay the fireman to sit on their asses in case you got hurt or your house burnt down.
Paying taxes is kind of like paying INSURANCE, it sucks to pay it until you need the service. |
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skillet30
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 4:36:01 PM
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I'll go a different route. I've never called the military because I've needed them. But it's nice to know they're around incase we do need them. Wish we would bring them all home, because we are wasting taxpayer money to fight a civil war in Afganistan that we have no business being involved in. But thats a how different topic.
Vote yes for the sales tax, oh wait we can't vote because the commissioners won't put it on the ballet. This would fire up NRM, but wait he lives in Florida. |
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messalina
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 5:40:32 PM
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Hey, over here in Morrow County, guess what, we have not been overrun with any more crime, murder, or drug deals going on than before the lay-offs. Think about that, yeah, what a surprise? Not.
If Caesar were still alive, you would be chained to an oar. |
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Carlos
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 6:18:52 PM
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curious mind
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 7:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
I have lived in houses for 50 years...none of them have ever caught fire. I have never called upon or asked for the services of a cop or a fireman...this is more "fear sells" bullcrap...I chased down a purse snatcher and retrieved the womans stuff, I stitched a guys knee (he put a circlular saw through it) on my property...he did not want to pay at the hospital...I did it for free...
I advise my neigbors on health issues and can do most anything that anyone would need that a cop, fireman, doctor, teacher, lawyer or other government worker could provide....I do it for free or in trade...no taxes...
I plan to continue to not participate in the economy. I buy nothing unless I absolutely need it..I buy nothing that requires a tax. I vote against every levie and when I get cornered and have to pay a tax (like property) I make sure I take double back...
stay in florida
please
don't participate - buy nothing - don't help your neighbor - build your shelter - think only of yourself
as long as you're "elsewhere" we really don't care, dude - tell it to people whose opinion you impact - because it ain't here
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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messalina
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 7:39:42 PM
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yep, banking on charging other counties for hotel space in the new jail turned out to be a real bad idea, especially when the car dealerships went south with the closings and sent revenue into the hinterland...
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