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aproudamerican
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 Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 6:06:41 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
It is simple, on it's present course, the city of Mt. Vernon and the county of Knox will be insolvent, bankrupt. So, what we need to do is focus only on what we MUST have (or need), and not what we "WANT"....we must survive.
Everyone reading this knows that the "threat" of laying off cops and firemen is the tool of the thief. They threaten this to scare us while keeping unnecessary programs in place in exchange for votes.
Why do you think the unions of the cops and firemen have their reitrement plans managed by the state? It is so the state can extort money from the citizens even after the county and city are insolvent.
Wasting 600,000 is nothing compared to the daily dollars you pay into the union retirement funds. To pay people who no longer provide a service over paying people to provide services today. It is not sustainable in a decaying society.
No private businesses offer retirement anymore. The ones who do will be bankrupt before they make any new payments. The government needs to stop the promise of a lifetime retirement for a couple decades of service...it is wrong to promise our grandchildrens hard earned dollars for folks to sit around and be paid for no longer producing.
Most real soldiers I know would put their uniform back on in a second and serve this nation free of charge...how about you cops and firemen? Are you in?
I know alot of companys that match employees pay up to % into personal retirements.
PS There are tons of employees(road workers,doctors,nurses,clerks,admin, secretaries,engineers, cops,firemen..to name a few) that are in PERS. You would be suprised how many are in OHIO,and how many are/were military.....
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 8:11:34 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
To pay people who no longer provide a service over paying people to provide services today. It is not sustainable in a decaying society.
The government needs to stop the promise of a lifetime retirement for a couple decades of service...
WHAT ???????? Apparently you didn't think that through did you!!!!
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 09:39:23 AM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
Work from 18 till 48 years old, get good pay and benefits, work only 40 hours a week (or less) and then get 42 more years of a paycheck + benefits + cost of living adjustments is no longer necessary.
You have just included the military retirees in to this! Is that what your stating or does it only apply to "cops and firemen"?
The big money sponge is the welfare system, how many people do you encounter that could be working. I see them everyday, food stamps also, I'm not saying there are people who really need it but come on. What is their incentive to get a job when they get food, medical, dental and a pay check for nothing.....There should be a time period that you can receive it. Again I want to make it clear if you are on welfare or food stamps and you truley need it then so be it. But when a 20 something man says he cant work because he has a "problem" but can go out drinking at bars and works under the table then thats a problem.
True story:. My wife and I were at the Newark Social Security Office, and observed a man around 28 years old that could barely walk or move and moaned when he did. I felt bad for this guy and thought he must be in terrible pain. He finished with his business about 30 seconds before we did. As we walked out of the building he removed his shirt, hopped onto a bike, and lit a cigarette. He then started pedaling down the street like a madman with one hand on the handle and one holding his cig. This guy needed an academy award for his performance inside the building.I told the people inside what I had just observed and they could've cared less. That my friend is a broken system...
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 25 2009 10:38:44 AM |
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McClellan
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 11:56:28 AM
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NRM have you seen the average life expectancy of a police officer after retirement? It is not 42 years.
If this country really wants to save money the government should better regulate the raping of Social Security. Why should someone get social security in their early twenties just because they have a behavior issue and "cant function" with society when they are perfectly physically healthy and can swing a hammer or turn a wrench or throw garbage into a truck. |
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 12:02:48 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
. Work from 18 till 48 years old, get good pay and benefits, work only 40 hours a week (or less) and then get 42 more years of a paycheck + benefits + cost of living adjustments is no longer necessary.
Right now, moving to over 10% unemployement, I could offer $25 an hour with no benefits to be a cop or fireman and have lines of qualified people ready to serve. They work, they get paid...they "retire" the payments stop. Long term, this would reduce government budgets by more than 50%...across the board...all taxes...ALL TAXES...could be cut in half..property, sales, state income, federal income, gasoline, cigarettes, alcohol....ALL TAXES COULD BE CUT IN HALF.
The government needs to stop the promise of a lifetime retirement for a couple decades of service...it is wrong to promise our grandchildrens hard earned dollars for folks to sit around and be paid for no longer producing.
You are on to something, but lets include everyone not just cops and firemen. Everyone in the U.S.A will make 25.00 an hour that ends when you are no longer productive...You have just solved our problem. No more old S.S recipients, No more old public employees and no more old military retirees for the younger productive workers to support!!!!
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 25 2009 12:27:38 PM |
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cateyes
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 12:41:35 PM
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NRM...good luck with the vision..it is destroying America right before our eyes.
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 3:05:23 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
if you were not so defensive over the firemen you would see that I specifically stated that the veterans I know would gladly put the uniforms back on and work for free.
So, if every cop and fireman would step out of retirement and volunteer at what they do well...we would not need active duty cops and firemen at the same levels we have today.
Same with every soldier....
The overhead associated with retirement benefits are crushing our city, state and federal budgets (same with unions and the private sector).
In fact, since the democrats out there (union folk too) elected this piece of crap that goes by "Barry Obama" I suggest you guys start doing something, as it is your responsibility to make your vision of America work.
The only reason that I mention "cops and firemen" is that you don't seem to understand that they are but a small % of the public employees ,yet you continue to pinpoint only them. If military life is so horrible and the pays horrible then why do so many make careers out of it.
You paint a terrible picture of military life. Say I was stationed in Bamberg Germany. Say I had 22 years in the army, you say I would only be a E4 and I would be working 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, no sick call and only 30 days off a year is this correct???
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 25 2009 3:13:50 PM |
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 3:18:11 PM
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I do think you are on to something, we just stop paying for anyone who is non productive and they can fend for themselves.
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asd
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USA
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 12:02:40 AM
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(Begin sarcasm) There was this one guy I read about a while ago he had a plan of removing "non-productive" people from society........oh what was his name????.........????? Started with an
"H".......Oh yeah HITLER! (end sarcasm)
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 09:46:56 AM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
You really don't read others posts do ya? If you are getting a retirement check, you get to keep it, you just have to come back to work....or the check stops...do something creative, since more then twice the number of people are drawing state retirement pay as are working, the retirees cna work 1/3 time for their pay...and the active folks get an hourly rate that is super sweet...but they only work 15 hours a week....let's say...$40 an hour..no other benefits.
We save an absolute fortune, no new retirees are created for the grandchildren of the taxpayer to fund...and the current retires get their money but have to give back 15 hours a week.
It is an option that should absolutely be explored...some of the returning cops could finally be tried for their previous crimes :-)
Also, may I ask what is wrong with people fending for themselves?????? That's yhe way life is.
Why do you think only state retirees are paid with taxpayer money? If this is what you want for anyone who is retired and "living off taxpayer" to go back to work. then
you can tell all the people on social security and the military retirees that would include them.
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 09:48:16 AM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
Wow...people who can still work but refuse to need to earn their keep. This concept of living off someone elses grandchild is beyond reprehensible.
Social security is one thing as it is 100% paid for by the employee and his employer (50-50) but when government workers "retire" they get a pension that comes from tomorrows taxpayers.
It is generational theft...union sponsored
Get this, these government workers refuse to pay into the social security system, so you and I have to support THEIR grandparents now...refuse to pay into social security as a non-government worker AND YOU GO TO JAIL...figure that one out.
You think S.S is not funded by taxpayer money? Do you want to bet????
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 09:50:32 AM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
Wow...people who can still work but refuse to need to earn their keep. This concept of living off someone elses grandchild is beyond reprehensible.
Attention All Retirees, Our new stimulas plan all you "non-productive" members of society go back to work and fend for yourself. PS that includes EVERYONE who is funded by taxpayer money . END SARCASM
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 26 2009 10:13:49 AM |
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RockandRollmama
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 11:45:25 AM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
Wow...people who can still work but refuse to need to earn their keep. This concept of living off someone elses grandchild is beyond reprehensible.
Social security is one thing as it is 100% paid for by the employee and his employer (50-50) but when government workers "retire" they get a pension that comes from tomorrows taxpayers.
It is generational theft...union sponsored
Get this, these government workers refuse to pay into the social security system, so you and I have to support THEIR grandparents now...refuse to pay into social security as a non-government worker AND YOU GO TO JAIL...figure that one out.
just a question, where does military retiree's retirement income come from?
What if nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? Or what's worse, what if only that fat guy in the third row exists?
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 2:00:56 PM
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Originally posted by aproudamerican
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
To pay people who no longer provide a service over paying people to provide services today. It is not sustainable in a decaying society.
The government needs to stop the promise of a lifetime retirement for a couple decades of service...
WHAT ???????? Apparently you didn't think that through did you!!!!
A Proud American
Support our Troops, Pray they stay safe and return home.
Thank A Veteran, We are still free because of them.
RandRmama I don't think he has thought this whole line of comments through.Or everyone it would include...
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Tinkerbell
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 6:49:42 PM
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Let me get this straight NRM. You work for an employer, you pay into social security and your employer matches...that is OK But, if your employer happens to be a government entity and you and your employer both contribute to a retirement fund it is stealing? The government entity is your employer. The money the public sector employer makes comes from the public from the goods they purchase. The money from the government sector comes from the public, through taxes. The government is also a business, it provides a service thru each of its departments.
Government employees cannot retire under social security. The state of Ohio government employees hired after 1986 pay into social security medicare, but use OPERS for medical. Many government employees that retire still work, and most in the public sector. They then pay into social security, even though they cannot use it towards their retirement. I have come to believe there is some jealousy towards those that chose to spend their life in government jobs. Everyone had their own chance to chose their career path. As I told my kids when they went out into the world, look at the whole package, not just wages. The package includes retirement and medical benefits.
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