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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
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 Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 11:20:24 PM
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I have to say...I agree totally you are so very right...and sadly so...America is never going to be who she has been...unless MUCH changes and fast..and even that is next to a miracle now...there are too many working against America core...they will totally destroy America..and too many are still blind to it.
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
It's deeper than that. For the first time in the history of America, the majority openly supported a socialist. The majority made it clear that they have no problem taking money from "the rich" and distributing among themselves.
That is the problem, and that is going to be the death of America.
Once 51% of the population can vote to steal from 49% of the population...game over.
We are absolutely, 100% at the end of Freedom...America is no longer a free nation, Entrepeneurs are now targets of taxation and thus will not invent, will not create employment....the dream of America is over.
That is where we are....the sooner the tax takers realize that, the longer we will be able to continue living without a new civil war...but I have a feeling that is coming sooner than any of us want to believe.
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 11:26:36 PM
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NRM....I do want to remind you...there are veterans working as police and firemen all over the nation...here I dont think very many...but wanted to remind you..some veterans now wear another uniform.
To compare a city cop to a soldier is assinine dude...the only similarity is they both wear uniforms...but so does the mailman.
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“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 11:32:26 PM
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Someone made the statement...vacations are earned...did you ever work for yourself...when you do....you SAVE money up...so you can take time off..no one PAYS you for your vacation tho you may have been working 24/7 all the time..
I know...I was a single parent..working 6 - 7 days a week self employed....no time off unless I had no work..which is no pay...or I saved up so I could take time off...MY PAID TIME OFF...I paid me...no one else did...but I EARNED it too..
Those use to working for others...just dont see things the same as us working for ourselves..we have to cover expenses...ALL of them...we have to pay ourselves ..which has to be after expenses..
But I tell ya...the freedom being ones own boss is worth all the responsiblities and headaches...I could schedule MY time when I WANTED off..didnt have to ask permission or put it on a corporate schedule...there of course are trade offs...no retirement fund...unless set up by ourselves.
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 21 2009 : 12:21:24 PM
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County employees are covered by several unions, but retire under PERS(Public Employee's Retirement System). They pay a higher % than civillians do into their retirement accounts. They do not pay into social security and therefore don't get it. The money they put in is ivested by PERS and upon retirement they draw from that account. The county/city do not pay anything once a person retires.
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 21 2009 : 12:50:26 PM
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Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
Cops and firemen (both represented by unions) have contracts and they get honored first, even before the roads get plowed. So, the unions will 100% not nice the city and county dry (and state eventually).
I got nothing against cops and firemen, I simply think the city should start over with their compensation packagge.
Tell ya what skillet, since you started this veterans against cops and firemen comparrison, I support the cops and firemen being paid the exact same as a soldier. Where do we sign that contract? Line 'em up, we just saved the cities budget.
Join skillet and call your representatives....soldiers truly do risk their lives evveryday so cops and firemen should have equal pay to soldiers....good job skillet, I agree. In fact, across the board for govvernment workers...government workers work off the payy and benefits scale of the US Army...we just fixed alot that is wrong with America today if we could make that stick!
I don't know what’s going on but I've typed this 3 times and it won't post...This time I'll save it.
I think there is a big misconception as to what a county employee makes. The lowest starting wage is around $10.00 per hour/ $ 20,800.00 per year. The highest (near retirement at 25 to 30 years) is around $22.00 per hour / 45,760.00. I don't think you would get any argument from any county employee about using Military wage scale/benefits..
Below is the Military’s pay scale.
http://www.defenselink.mil/militarypay/mpcalcs/Calculators/RMC.aspx
Please do not think I’m saying anything about the Military’s pay scale other than it is to low for our brave solders. Please support and pray for them to stay safe and return home!
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 21 2009 1:53:34 PM |
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 21 2009 : 12:53:17 PM
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Just to clarify the above link an E1 is starting pay grade.
Also you'd be suprised how many veterans/service men and women are employees of the county
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 21 2009 1:56:00 PM |
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 22 2009 : 11:42:38 AM
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Again let me state that I beleive the Military could be doing more for our retired/disabled/active duty men and women. They deserve our praise and thanks!!!!
Now there are alot of simularities between military and public employee retirements. Under PERS police and firemen receive 2.5 percent up to 25 years then it is 2% after that. Military is 2.5% with no cap. Both are figured on your average of the highest three years of service. A fireman retireing after 25 years of service and his last 3 years were $40,000/41,000 and 42,000 would have an average of $41,000 then he would get 2.5% of that for each year of service= $41,000X 62.5%=$25,625 in retireement a year. Subtract the insurance of $300 a month average and your left with $21,965. Take away taxes and what do you have left? Now using the Military Retirement Calculator below an E7 after 25 years would make over $3000 a month/ 36,000 a year. An E8 about $200.00 more a month.
So I would have to say for myself I would do it in a heart beat!!!!
http://www.defenselink.mil/militarypay/mpcalcs/Calculators/FinalPayHigh3Result.aspx
The only reason I post this is because some have made statement that our retirements are outragous and lucerative. There is a big misconception that Public Employees live high on the hog and must retire to the tropics... Sorry, maybe Columbus Police and Fire or other big cities employees can do that when they make $80-$100 K a year. Is that what people hear and they think we all get the same?
If that link doesn't work try
http://www.military.com/benefits/military-pay/retired-pay/computing-retired-military-pay#4
and click on retirement calc.
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Edited by - aproudamerican on Oct 22 2009 11:52:22 AM |
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 22 2009 : 12:00:32 PM
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Now I think we are getting off the subject of the main post, so just to clarify by using the Military's own calculator.An E4 with 25 yaers of service would make $1800.00 a month and around $22,000 a year. This Would be higher than most knox county public employees retirement!!!!!!!!
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aproudamerican
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 22 2009 : 1:58:30 PM
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The mess the county is in is someone’s fault, It’s your right to blame whoever you want. You can blame the employees and their retirement system or you can blame the commissioners for spending OUR money on who knows what. But in the end we are still broke. We need to get the problem solved and fast!!! I think we need a better accounting of where OUR money has gone. I believe the commissioners need to look at increasing revenue. Look at what they’ve spent our money on and what have we got in return from those entities.
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curious mind
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 22 2009 : 11:21:07 PM
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apa
ignore him
his disrespect for everyone has almost become "legendary" - and his input is irrelevant as he doesn't even live here - for all his blather about what he does for a living and how he "makes such a difference', he obviously has way too much time on his hands......
focus on our community and those who live here - trolls just don't matter
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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Steve.Deserved.Better
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 23 2009 : 12:06:41 AM
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Originally posted by curious mind
apa
ignore him
his disrespect for everyone has almost become "legendary" - and his input is irrelevant as he doesn't even live here - for all his blather about what he does for a living and how he "makes such a difference', he obviously has way too much time on his hands......
focus on our community and those who live here - trolls just don't matter
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
I'd have this 'troll' at my back any day of the week. Then there are trolls I wouldn't turn my back on. NRM has paid his dues and earned his right to freedom of speech and to participate in any forum of public speaking. Then there are those who haven't paid the price but because of people like NRM, still get to abuse it. I would pay to hear him speak. He's very relevant. One may not like his delivery method, but he certainly has hit the nail on the head on more than one occasion. imho.
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curious mind
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 23 2009 : 03:48:08 AM
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There are many people like you in America who would "pay" to hear invective speech
the good news is that there are more that are sick and tired of it, and distancing themselves from such ugliness
free speech is one thing - nastiness is another - no one "earns" the right to treat others with disrespect; although, this IS America, and you have every right to embrace such speech all you wish.......
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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curious mind
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 23 2009 : 07:17:10 AM
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the layoffs have begun in the court system - wonder if the commissioners will be providing turkey or ham dinners over the holidays to those who have become unemployed due to their actions? 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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someonespecial
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 23 2009 : 08:29:56 AM
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Why would the commissioners provide anyone turkey or ham? You can't tell me ALL these job cuts are only due to poor spending. Companies make poor decisions a lot about where to spend money and cause hardships. You obviously don't like the commissioners, but I wouldn't be afraid to bet that even if the things you feel they shouldn't have done never happened, there would still be layoffs. The economy not nices and GOVERNMENT employees arn't the only ones facing lay offs and hardships.
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 23 2009 : 08:45:19 AM
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the job losses I'm talking about in the system are a direct result of the cuts the commissioners demanded - there was no way around it.........
those cuts were DEMANDED because the Commissioners blew it - relied on financial projections without checking them out, and spending money they didn't have in hand
I don't give a tinker's damn about what's happening elsewhere - I'm talking about local job losses that can be tied directly to the commissioners' lack of judgement. 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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