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cateyes
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 2:44:01 PM
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you just listed...expenses, expenses, expenses....so since the income is not going up..what do you think is going to happen....the country cant print money like the feds!!
quote: Originally posted by aproudamerican
Everyone keeps passing the buck on why we are in financial trouble. I checked the state audit and our investments made $700,000.00 less than expected, so why do they tell us we are about $1,500,000.00 in the hole? Or could it be a combination of less investment returns and needless spending? No matter what happens I'm sure we will be watching how they spend our money more...Grants for this and grants for that, but very very few grants are 100%. Bike paths are nice but when they are in better shape than our roads there's a problem. The fair is nice but how much money goes into it (for one week a year) from county funds and how much do we get back. Remember it's like $5.00 a person to get in and the fair gets a % of concessions and sales. How much do they make in one week and does any come back to the taxpayers? How about the $600,000.00+ land purchase for the fairgrounds? Can we sell it now for what we paid? It'll be hard when it is only appraised for 166,000.00. Needless spending and now the taxpayers get it....
A Proud American
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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cateyes
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 2:49:17 PM
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So you telling me..they cant cut anymore..because THEY dont want to be the ones that is seen as causing layoffs??
Then the department heads need salary roll back..because they are not managing well....had descions come with being head of the department...
Now I understand IF services are to stay the same...cut backs can not be done.but what I am saying...is we cant not at this time..afford yesterday way of doing county business..so cuts must be...
Just as in corp America....less people are covering more responsiblity then before....cut backs of employees has caused more responsiblity to those still with the companies...
Why is this not for gov too???
quote: Originally posted by curious mind
Cateyes - you can go on and on and on about "cutting hours" but the department heads flatly stated that they couldn't cut corners any more than they have, and that they would be forced to layoff employees - you obviously don't take them seriously (or, like stockberger when he threw his fit, thought they were being "punitive")
I believe what those department heads are predicting, and would bet that such layoffs begin soon - right around Thanksgiving, and with few to no options for another job; and no prospects in the near future, as there is no agency in town trying to lure businesses to our community to improve the unemployment situation
I think I'll opt for the 25 cents on every hundred dollars option to ensure that our unemployment rate doesn't rise - I wouldn't want to explain to anyone who's laid off, or perhaps their children, why I refused to pay that measly 25 cents for every hundred dollars and helped place them in the unemployment line 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 3:06:23 PM
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I'm sure the department heads will be enthralled by your comments regarding their competence - frankly, I have faith in all of their abilities to effectively run their departments - if you don't, apply for their job
fact - layoffs have started
are you going to be going door to door to visit the employees who are laid off to explain why you didn't think you needed to pay 25 cents on every hundred dollars to ensure their employment? or try to explain it to their kids?
just wondering.......
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 5:44:47 PM
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quote: Originally posted by cateyes
So you telling me..they cant cut anymore..because THEY dont want to be the ones that is seen as causing layoffs??
Then the department heads need salary roll back..because they are not managing well....had descions come with being head of the department...
Now I understand IF services are to stay the same...cut backs can not be done.but what I am saying...is we cant not at this time..afford yesterday way of doing county business..so cuts must be...
Just as in corp America....less people are covering more responsiblity then before....cut backs of employees has caused more responsiblity to those still with the companies...
Why is this not for gov too???
I'll say it, the commissioners don't want to be the ones who throw the switch!!!! They want to blame it on department heads, making them look like they waste money and won't cooperate with the commissioners. They flat out said what they would have to do to make the cuts the commissioners wanted. The commissioners didn't like it, calling them "punitive". PS The department heads and commissioners salaries are set by state law and can't be reduced.
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tmm071571
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 7:40:42 PM
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My guess, the "minimal" tax increase will happen, and the layoffs will happen too. Just a guess
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cateyes
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 8:11:44 PM
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Well as they say..if the shoe fits..wear it....every department head needed to have a plan submitted...to show HOW cuts could be made if the commissioner insisted they be done.... plans should be phase 1 phase 2 etc...that department heads should know their departments better than anyone...that is a good reason for the commissioners to ask the department heads for their input..
And by the way, I have friends out of work..some for a long time already..I have helped them as much as I can.....that is what friends do..pull together.
I have friends that lost jobs that caused them to loose homes...
and I have veteran friends waiting for their disability claims to be approved and have lost homes...marriages strained...I am very aware of what is happening in our nation....
Our community has not been hit..yet..as hard as other areas I am very aware, but if we dont get wiser..faster..you have seen nothing yet...
quote: Originally posted by curious mind
I'm sure the department heads will be enthralled by your comments regarding their competence - frankly, I have faith in all of their abilities to effectively run their departments - if you don't, apply for their job
fact - layoffs have started
are you going to be going door to door to visit the employees who are laid off to explain why you didn't think you needed to pay 25 cents on every hundred dollars to ensure their employment? or try to explain it to their kids?
just wondering.......
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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RockandRollmama
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 9:16:09 PM
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quote: Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
CM..Why are you stating that government workers have a right to a job while the people who pay their wages do not?
Funny how you invoke religious hoidays here while saying their are unconstituional everywhere else you post...
No more taxes....period
Have they taken pay cuts?
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 10:18:45 PM
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quote: Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
No they haven't
YES THEY HAVE...MANY MANY FURLOUGH DAYS. For the simple minded (nrm) GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!! Most have taken a $1,000.00 to $1,500.00 pay cut in just 6 months!!!!!
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RockandRollmama
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 12:24:35 PM
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I'm not from Knox County, but just curious..what are their benefits? how much do they get paid?
What if nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? Or what's worse, what if only that fat guy in the third row exists? woody allen |
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design
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 12:38:50 PM
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My friend was given the unemployment slip several months ago. After 9 years was told not to expect to be called back.
The benefits... Pers (Public Employees Retirement), Health Insc, vacation, sick and personal days. (Not sure if the have life insc, as State emp[loyees do) Pay depends on the job. The Prosecutor (Lawyers) and Judges would be at the top ranges and clerks, receptions at the bottom. It's all public information. Just go to the county web sites and dig!. You can see who makes what.
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:00:36 PM
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nrm Why don't you tell that to the 900+ employees and their families that are loosing $1000 to 1500 in the last 6 months of 09... Apparently you classify it as a vacation…You have no clue what the employees have given up. Apparently you stand behind the commissioners and their decisions. You don’t criticize them and their spending, only the employees and department heads. I wonder what is the motivation behind your post? You must support everything they do!
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:13:20 PM
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quote: Originally posted by RockandRollmama
I'm not from Knox County, but just curious..what are their benefits? how much do they get paid?
What if nothing exists and we're all in somebody's dream? Or what's worse, what if only that fat guy in the third row exists? woody allen
RaRM You should ask nrm, he knows everything about it. LOL LOL LOL LOL
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:22:24 PM
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quote: Originally posted by design
My friend was given the unemployment slip several months ago. After 9 years was told not to expect to be called back.
The benefits... Pers (Public Employees Retirement), Health Insc, vacation, sick and personal days. (Not sure if the have life insc, as State emp[loyees do) Pay depends on the job. The Prosecutor (Lawyers) and Judges would be at the top ranges and clerks, receptions at the bottom. It's all public information. Just go to the county web sites and dig!. You can see who makes what.
design
Health insurance is paid in part by employees, Vacation is earned as everywhere else. Sick time is earned at a low % rate. No life ins. and I think this order should be close: Judges, Prosecutors and attorneys, then Department heads, then commissioners and their assistant, then department Supervisors, then full time employees. I will see if I can come up with an actual list...
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:53:13 PM
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I found these on the County Commissioners Association of Ohio website. County Advisory Bullitin, State of Ohio based on 55,000 + population, and these are protected by State Law. Common Pleas Judges 121,350.00 County Pros. 115,703.00 Muni Judges 114,100.00 Engineer 90,174.00 with out private practice Sheriff 69.372.00 Auditor 68,390.00 + $ .08 per capita for 1st 20,000, then .02/capita County Clerk of Court 59,866.00 with additional 25% county paid comp time ???? Commissioners 55,524.00 Treasurer 53,214.00 Recorder 50,203.00 Coroner 41,165.00 with private practice Did not see "Library Director" at 88,000.00, unkown if this figure is accurate.
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aproudamerican
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 5:01:54 PM
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quote: Originally posted by NothingReallyMatters
LMFAO...get a clue, do you have any idea at all what it takes to manage a budget?
Cut now, cut deep...it's gonna get much, much worse....you don't want to nickle and dime it for 3-5 years. Across the board pay cuts of 20% is the answer. That will allow employees to settle in for a few years without worrying about pay cuts all the time.
Furloughs are indeed vacations....the days off are not used to work, they are used as the person sees fit. Nobody should be asked to pay someone for taking a day off get a clue.
Cancel all unneccessary prohgrams and projects. Why should slackers be employed while hard workers take cuts...fire the slackers, keep the hard workers working hard.
Government employees should be giving back more to the community as well. Firement sit around doing nothing, waiting for the bells to sound (which very seldom happen at all), the firemen could be working at the hospitals while they are waiting for the alarm, or the cops could double up as firemen.
Start thinking outside the box.
Oh you are so right!!!! Have you ever taken a vacation? Did your employer pay you while you were off? I mentioned that I an a Fireman, Why don't you mention what you do???? You are so quick to say we ( Public Safety Personel) do nothing What has been your contribution to this county? I'll remind you of the questions I asked you before and you couldn't answer: What is this “lucrative Retirement” you mention. What do you think a fireman or police officer gets when they retire after 25 years risking their lives? How much a year? How much do you think public employees get upon retirement? Also public employees do not pay into social security so we don’t get that either! Have you ever saved a life? Have you ever made a difference in peoples lives? Have you ever had to strap on a gun and vest and go to work knowing that today someone might try to kill you or you might have to kill someone? Have you ever had that much responsibility? I bet you won't answer truthfully because people on here know what kind of a person you really are....
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