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FTM
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 Posted - Oct 09 2009 : 6:36:37 PM
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| Still the same question, is Barone the one that pushed the Bible in school issue? If not her, who was it? |
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seabiscuit
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Posted - Oct 09 2009 : 6:58:29 PM
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Still the same question, is Barone the one that pushed the Bible in school issue? If not her, who was it?
FTM
You've reallly lost me. The person who actually pushed the Bible in school issue was John Freshwater. |
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Petunia
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Posted - Oct 09 2009 : 11:45:15 PM
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| Most of us attend school functions for the joy of seeing our children achieve an award/graduation etc. We don't scan the building to create a negative responce to a great moment. Sorry seabisquit can't allow anyone that pleasure. |
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 12:20:17 AM
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Most of us attend school functions for the joy of seeing our children achieve an award/graduation etc. We don't scan the building to create a negative responce to a great moment. Sorry seabisquit can't allow anyone that pleasure.
Scan a building????? You're kidding, right? The floor to ceiling large stained glass window with a cross in the middle is hardly scanning a building. It's intended to be the focal point of the church and you aren't going to miss it. And its the back drop for the diploma presentation.
And you are right, you are there to watch your children achieve an award/graduation. So, if the child and parent are Jehovah's Witness, they can't go and will miss that opportunity. That's okay with you? So what, they don't believe like you do so they aren't as important as you or their experience isn't as important as yours? Is that your point?????? |
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 05:41:08 AM
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I wonder if Petunia's "joy" would be tempered if the graduation were held in a building with a large floor to ceiling painting of Buddah or Mohammed in plain view.......
Just askin'
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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MVDad
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 08:12:42 AM
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| I have been following this thread with the hopes of not posting, but it seems to be getting a bit ridiculous. My family are Christians, with a strong believe in Christ. A big part of our faith is to NOT to judge others. It would not bother me at all if my children were around a graduation with symbols from other religions. Why, because I believe in Christ as my savior, and worldly symbols and other religions donot scare me. Apparently, Christianity scares those of you that spend your time complaining about it's exposure to others. I say that because it seems to be the only religion that draws such condemnation from it's exposure. Simply put, if your beliefs are different from Christianity, so be it. If those beliefs were strong enough, it wouldn't bother you. Maybe it's time you winers got off the kick of bashing Christianity, and go find a faith you can really believe in. |
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 08:32:41 AM
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I don't believe it "scare" anyone mvdad
The point is that it's teachings don't belong in the pubic sector at all......
It isn't those who recognize this separation is necessary and are "whining" - it is those who wish their own religious principles be "forced" into the public sector that cry "discrimination" - if you believe, fine - if you actually live your beliefs, even better - but it has no place being taught in the public school system as some kind of belief system that is superior to all others -
In any event, this thread is digressing - its a discussion about the potential school board candidates
their support of Freshwater is very germane to the issue, as the support of Freshwater equates to non-support from the current Board's position - the wish to have Freshwater re-instated equates to a lack of respect for State and Federal laws - and we all have a right to know if they hold that position before we vote
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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shaggy_43050
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 11:08:40 AM
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Most of us attend school functions for the joy of seeing our children achieve an award/graduation etc. We don't scan the building to create a negative responce to a great moment. Sorry seabisquit can't allow anyone that pleasure.
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Scan a building????? You're kidding, right? The floor to ceiling large stained glass window with a cross in the middle is hardly scanning a building. It's intended to be the focal point of the church and you aren't going to miss it. And its the back drop for the diploma presentation.
And you are right, you are there to watch your children achieve an award/graduation. So, if the child and parent are Jehovah's Witness, they can't go and will miss that opportunity. That's okay with you? So what, they don't believe like you do so they aren't as important as you or their experience isn't as important as yours? Is that your point??????
Well its not the schools fault they are brainwashed and belong to a cult. |
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Petunia
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 12:40:26 PM
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Originally posted by seabiscuit
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Originally posted by Petunia
Most of us attend school functions for the joy of seeing our children achieve an award/graduation etc. We don't scan the building to create a negative responce to a great moment. Sorry seabisquit can't allow anyone that pleasure.
Scan a building????? You're kidding, right? The floor to ceiling large stained glass window with a cross in the middle is hardly scanning a building. It's intended to be the focal point of the church and you aren't going to miss it. And its the back drop for the diploma presentation.
And you are right, you are there to watch your children achieve an award/graduation. So, if the child and parent are Jehovah's Witness, they can't go and will miss that opportunity. That's okay with you? So what, they don't believe like you do so they aren't as important as you or their experience isn't as important as yours? Is that your point??????
My choice of wording was because you impress me as a person who finds fault and would not be happy with any venue without a security check of any religious symbols. And as a matter of fact I would not be unhappy with other religions represented. I am there for my children not to bash other people's beliefs. |
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 12:43:08 PM
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Originally posted by MVDad
I have been following this thread with the hopes of not posting, but it seems to be getting a bit ridiculous. My family are Christians, with a strong believe in Christ. A big part of our faith is to NOT to judge others. It would not bother me at all if my children were around a graduation with symbols from other religions. Why, because I believe in Christ as my savior, and worldly symbols and other religions donot scare me. Apparently, Christianity scares those of you that spend your time complaining about it's exposure to others. I say that because it seems to be the only religion that draws such condemnation from it's exposure. Simply put, if your beliefs are different from Christianity, so be it. If those beliefs were strong enough, it wouldn't bother you. Maybe it's time you winers got off the kick of bashing Christianity, and go find a faith you can really believe in.
I'm sorry that you feel that the concerns expressed here are somehow a condemnation of Christianity. There is nothing further from the truth. The example I gave about Jehovah's Witness is factual. A person from that Christian denomination entering another Christian denomination's church is grounds for "shunning". Just because our Christian denomination does not hold the same view doesn't change that for them. So, having the graduation at the Nazarene Church would exclude a Christian from attending the ceremony and prevent their family from attending as well.
I posted this on mvohio.net and it might explain more clearly how I feel about the whole Freshwater situation and the resulting discussion of keeping religion out of the public school system from a more personal perspective:
As a Christian, I do not feel discriminated against at all. When my kids were in public school, I watched Christmas programs that included traditional Christian songs and I watched people get mightly upset when the Christmas program did not include any traditional Christian songs but rather had songs that were more from the Santa version of Christmas or had an "Around The World" type theme.
There are numerous denominations of Christianity. The list is extensive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
As a Christian there are things taught in other denominations that I don't agree with and I have the right not to have that taught to my children. There is no simple way to teach Christianity because of the range of beliefs within it. Of course there is one common link amongst the denominations which is Jesus Christ but I can assure you that after that there can be some extreme views from one denomination to another.
I want my children (when they are young) to be taught the Christian beliefs that I hold and that is done at the Church or Churches of my choosing......not in a Science class or any other class at school. I also want my children to learn tolerance of different beliefs which is not taught in all denominations of Christianity. I don't agree with New Age Christians who believe that Jesus walked with dinosaurs and I don't want that taught to my children.
This is NOT about other religions from my perspective but about anyone teaching students any set of religious beliefs. Separation of church and state protects my right as a Christian to teach my children the Christian beliefs/values I want them to be taught without interference by a teacher or public employee who has differing views. I don't want my children's science teacher (or any other teacher for that matter) teaching religion and I don't want my minister teaching science (or any other school subject for that matter).
This is about my right as a Christian to protect my children against the beliefs of extreme Christianity or fundamentalists as well as protecting students with different religious beliefs being told what they believe will send them to H E double toothpicks when they are trying to receive an education. I also don't want children going to school and hearing statements from teachers like, "Catholics aren't Christians", "there's the Jew" and more judgmental statements that I can't post. And, yes, these statements occurred in the MTV High School and don't belong in a public school environment.
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 12:48:27 PM
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Originally posted by Petunia
My choice of wording was because you impress me as a person who finds fault and would not be happy with any venue without a security check of any religious symbols. And as a matter of fact I would not be unhappy with other religions represented. I am there for my children not to bash other people's beliefs.
Really! Just so you know I send my kids to Newark Catholic so I don't think your assessment is quite accurate.
And interestingly my son spoke at one of the school board meetings last year and his assessment was that there was more tolerance for religious differences at Newark Catholic than at Mt. Vernon High School. That's an interesting commentary, don't you think?
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curious mind
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 12:57:56 PM
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Originally posted by seabiscuit
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Originally posted by Petunia
My choice of wording was because you impress me as a person who finds fault and would not be happy with any venue without a security check of any religious symbols. And as a matter of fact I would not be unhappy with other religions represented. I am there for my children not to bash other people's beliefs.
Really! Just so you know I send my kids to Newark Catholic so I don't think your assessment is quite accurate.
And interestingly my son spoke at one of the school board meetings last year and his assessment was that there was more tolerance for religious differences at Newark Catholic than at Mt. Vernon High School. That's an interesting commentary, don't you think?
checkmate 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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FTM
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 11 2009 : 09:53:30 AM
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Just for S & G, will someone write in and tell us all, what each and every board member, administrator, teacher, staff, and student is required to do? Is the information all documentated? Where can we see or read the documentation? What is the outcome if the rules are not followed? And, who made the rules? Is the rules being applied equally?
The reason for the question about Ms, Barone is. I have been hear that Ms. Barone and Mr. Freshwater got into a urinating match about something, and I don't know what. Ms. Barone had more clout in the community, and started the ball rolling on the Freshwater mess. If, we as voters are to make sound choices, we must know all the facts. |
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hello
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 11 2009 : 10:14:11 AM
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http://protectingstudents.org/
Is this what you mean?
You are saying that the ball should not have got rolling on this matter? You think all should have been left alone? What a joke... |
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WONDERIN
Regular Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 11 2009 : 11:24:14 AM
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Originally posted by FTM
Just for S & G, will someone write in and tell us all, what each and every board member, administrator, teacher, staff, and student is required to do? Is the information all documentated? Where can we see or read the documentation? What is the outcome if the rules are not followed? And, who made the rules? Is the rules being applied equally?
The reason for the question about Ms, Barone is. I have been hear that Ms. Barone and Mr. Freshwater got into a urinating match about something, and I don't know what. Ms. Barone had more clout in the community, and started the ball rolling on the Freshwater mess. If, we as voters are to make sound choices, we must know all the facts.
The facts are that a family went in and told the administration what happened to their son in school. Nothing was done. Things progressed from there.
How would this include Mrs Barone? I think this is the same type of post that should be deleted if Adam is going to delete "untrue" posts.
If you would like all the facts then read up on the case. There are numerous websites that can inform you of what has been going on for the last (almost) two years! |
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