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curious mind
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 Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 09:32:09 AM
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of course..........
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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WONDERIN
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 10:22:40 AM
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I find it ironic that after the interview with Adam someone has deleted the Council for Free Expression area from the Bible on the desk website. Perhaps Mr Thompson ( or someone else) decided it WASN"T a good idea to list the names there!
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 11:16:43 AM
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How can a candidate "not be for or against" Freshwater's stance?
This is a legal nightmare that has already cost the schools hundreds of thousands of dollars because of Freshwater's martyr complex and the continuous delay tactics by that fruitcake R. Kelley Hamilton - anyone running for School Board should inform the public if they support the reinstatement of Freshwater, or the current position of the Board.
To not do so is being disingenuous at a minimum - but tells me, at least, that they support the reinstatement of Freshwater, but don't want to admit it - and would vote accordingly as soon as they were seated as a Member.
A candidate simply cannot avoid answering this question and stating their position - 
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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seabiscuit
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 11:56:49 AM
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I'm posting the link and text but you are right, you can no longer access it by going to the Bible On the Desk website. It's gone now. It was in my cache so I am copying it and pasting it.
http://www.bibleonthedesk.com/communitycouncil.php
The Community Council for Free Expression
The Community Council For Free Expression first came together in April 2008 as a “steering committee” and a voice from the Mt. Vernon Community to support Middle School Science Teacher, John Freshwater, in his stand to keep the Bible on his desk. The group soon felt that the issue was much bigger than just John Freshwater so they adopted the name “Community Council For Free Expression.”
The leaders of the CCFE all live in the Mount Vernon, Ohio, area. They come from diverse backgrounds and churches, but all support John in his battle to keep the Bible on his desk where it has been for the last 21 years. Even though the Mount Vernon School Board has levied other allegations against John in order to move the debate away from the Bible on the desk the CCFE believe that he will be fully exonerated. Then the issue will move back to the Bible on the desk.
The following are the leaders of the Community Council For Free Expression:
Don Matolyak is Pastor of Trinity Assembly of God in Mt. Vernon and has been John Freshwater’s Pastor for more than 14 years.
Dan Whisner is Pastor of Colonial City Baptist Church in Mt. Vernon. He also leads the Ohio Legislative Watch.
Thom Collier is the Ohio State Representative for the 90th District and local business man.
William Kepko is an attorney in Mt. Vernon, OH.
Bill Fulda is Pastor of the First Church of God in Mt. Vernon and serves as President of the Knox Network of Christian Ministries.
Steve Thompson is a Vice President with the Ariel Corporation and has lived his entire life in the Mt. Vernon area.
Dewey Morrow is a retired Pastor & District Supervisor with the Foursquare Gospel Church.
The Community Council For Free Expression is a non-profit corporation and has developed a Legal Defense Fund to help with John Freshwater’s legal expenses. Those wishing to donate to this fund can give via credit card on this web site or write your check to
The Community Council For Free Expression
c/o Trinity Assembly of God
1051 Beech Street
Mt. Vernon, OH 43050
This is not surprising. It's a little like the disappearance of the Minutemen website after the Freshwater situation gained national media attention. It's a bit bothersome.
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 12:06:01 PM
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Thanks seabiscuit - shows where Thompson's priorities are; although I'll admit Thompson "danced well around the issue" in his interview....
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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purplelady
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 12:16:42 PM
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 12:29:59 PM
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The home page still indicates that:
Donations can be made via the PayPal links throughout this website or by sending a check to:
The Community Council for Free Expression
c/o Trinity Assembly of God
1051 Beech Street
Mount Vernon, Ohio 43050
http://www.bibleonthedesk.com/index.php
I just reread the 1st part of the Council's goal:
The Community Council For Free Expression first came together in April 2008 as a “steering committee” and a voice from the Mt. Vernon Community to support Middle School Science Teacher, John Freshwater, in his stand to keep the Bible on his desk. The group soon felt that the issue was much bigger than just John Freshwater so they adopted the name “Community Council For Free Expression.”
The leaders of the CCFE all live in the Mount Vernon, Ohio, area. They come from diverse backgrounds and churches, but all support John in his battle to keep the Bible on his desk where it has been for the last 21 years. Even though the Mount Vernon School Board has levied other allegations against John in order to move the debate away from the Bible on the desk the CCFE believe that he will be fully exonerated. Then the issue will move back to the Bible on the desk.
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 12:31:04 PM
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Originally posted by purplelady
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Thanks for that info. Wow! It just shows that Mr. Freshwater is just the tip of the iceburg!
It is one thing to offer a moment of respectful silence in honor of those who died. It's another to dictate what should be done in that moment of silence. |
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curious mind
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 1:36:16 PM
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When this whole nightmare started 18 months ago, when Daubenmire and his followers were trying to storm Board Meetings, holding vigils on the square, protesting, demanding the banning of certain books from the School Library, ad nauseum, they stated then that they'd run individuals for Mount Vernon School Board to counter the School Board's decisions......
This is really no surprise..........
The good news is that after all this time, many of the his original supporters have realized Freshwater indeed has breached his contract, had been breaching it for years, is surrounded by nutcases, and no longer support his "agenda."
Am not really worried about Thompson or Kirk being seated - 
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 2:51:17 PM
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cm
I'd like to think so but I know that many people are just not aware of what has been going on and don't really know all the facts and "who's who". We need to be sure that we provide people with enough information that they can make an informed choice rather than just by going on "name recognition" alone. |
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Editor
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 2:54:27 PM
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Concerning my removal of purplelady's post:
I was contacted this afternoon by Robert Kirk who informed me that the post concerning an alleged prayer over the announcements at the Knox County Career Center were false. Mr. Kirk says this never happened.
To preserve the integrity of this site,I am treating this by the same journalistic standards I adhere to in my authoring of articles. If I am contacted by someone because something I printed was false or incorrect, I am duty bound to print a correction. I act in this case because it's important to me to get facts out there. And unfortunately, there's no way to prove the allegations one way or another, short of parading witnesses onto the scene or presenting audio recordings.
Mr. Kirk also clarified his position on John Freshwater while I had him on the phone. He asserts that he has met John Freshwater only once and has never been to a single rally or event supporting him. Mr. Kirk said he has no personal stake in the Freshwater situation at all and believes protocol should be followed and investigatory measures used.
That said, he will be getting with me in the near future for an interview, and then you all can decide, based on his own words, whether you want to support him or not.
Thanks!
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 3:07:49 PM
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Adam:
Just curious. If there are others who say the incident did occur, who's word will be taken at face value? |
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curious mind
Senior Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 3:07:52 PM
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Originally posted by seabiscuit
cm
I'd like to think so but I know that many people are just not aware of what has been going on and don't really know all the facts and "who's who". We need to be sure that we provide people with enough information that they can make an informed choice rather than just by going on "name recognition" alone.
I dunno seabiscuit - this has been front and center locally and nationally for a year and a half - am comfortable believing that most know both sides of the story - there will always be those who discount the Investigator's Report - believe that it was all "lies." But then, they're usually the same people who support kooks like Daubenmire and Cline - the same people who believe it is correct to bring christian religion into the public sector (and no other religious belief, of course) - because ya know, "their god is better than other peoples' god" - and if students aren't taught about "their god" they will burn in hell, or something like that
"You might have to fight a battle more than once to win it" - Margaret Thatcher
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seabiscuit
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 3:10:35 PM
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Editor
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Posted - Oct 07 2009 : 3:12:41 PM
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This is a tough call - and these aren't the types of situations I enjoy being in the middle of. I'm doing my best to be a liaison between the members of this forum and the candidates. My integrity is an important factor there, and if the 'victim' of the post, in this case being a public employee, says its false, I'm going to proceed with caution and err on that side.
I would assume that if this really happened the way purplelady said it did, there would have been people crawling out of the woodwork to expose it. Again, just being cautious. I may take some heat for that, but its a clear display that my heart is positioned with the pursuit of truth and integrity.
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