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Kim
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 Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 12:55:29 PM
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| My husband and I plan to vote for Steve as well. We know him personally, we don't feel he has a hidden agenda, or anything like that. We don't go to his church, back Freshwater or give to any fund to defend the teacher. We think Steve just wants to see changes in the school board, so that something like what is happening now, won't happen again. |
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maremayfuss
New Forum Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 1:00:44 PM
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I am not sure that the "clean sweep" idea is a good one. Some of the people running for the board are cut from the same Psuedo Christian cloth as Freshwater; I refer to these people as the Christian Taliban. They are judgemental, unaccepting, condemning and loaded with double standards. To associate yourself in any way with Freshwater and Dave Daubenmire only proves my point. These are the same candidates that place large signs on the same lawn that displayed the "Keep the Bible, Get rid of the Child" sign when the Freshwater mess started out. They continually tie themselves to this judgemental attitude.
Thompson actively supports a man who has driven that terribly condemning Abortion Van around town and even raises money for his legal defense in a case where he victimized a child. If Freshwater were a true Christian, he would have taken responsibility for his action, apologized to the child and his family and resigned. Instead he lies about his role in the whole issue, victimizing the kid once more. And we have people running for the school board who support this treatment of a child and then have the nerve to portray themselves as true Christians. I don't think that's the way Jesus would have handled it.
If there were any aire of humility or contrition in the actions of these people I would see a glimmer of hope. But as it stands they remain arrogant and self-righteous believing they have done no wrong and are just here to help us, to show us the right way to do things as we are the lost sheep. What an absolute laugh and, again, very Christian.
Thanks for letting me rant but I need to go so I can finish watching Elmer Gantry. It's a very good movie, I think everyone should watch it before the election.
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82
Regular Forum Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 4:10:57 PM
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... I refer to these people as the Christian Taliban. They are judgemental, unaccepting, condemning and loaded with double standards. To associate yourself in any way with Freshwater and Dave Daubenmire only proves my point. These are the same candidates that place large signs on the same lawn that displayed the "Keep the Bible, Get rid of the Child" sign when the Freshwater mess started out. They continually tie themselves to this judgemental attitude. ...What an absolute laugh and, again, very Christian.
I don't understand...you lament judgemental about the judgemental...
Main Entry: ox·y·mo·ron
Pronunciation: \?äk-se-'mo?r-?änFunction: noun
: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements
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wastintime
Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 4:32:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kim
My husband and I plan to vote for Steve as well. We know him personally, we don't feel he has a hidden agenda, or anything like that. We don't go to his church, back Freshwater or give to any fund to defend the teacher. We think Steve just wants to see changes in the school board, so that something like what is happening now, won't happen again.
Please watch this link, Kim, and then tell me how you believe that Mr. Thompson doesn't have a hidden agenda or that he doesn't have a personal preference towards one teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lLEqWTZwSw&feature=PlayList&p=8167D7356999ED71&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
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wastintime
Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 4:55:18 PM
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Kim
Senior Forum Member
1076 Posts |
Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 7:19:02 PM
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| I just watched the video. I didn't see any hidden agenda. He(Steve) ask why 1 year & $380,000.00 later the issue still isn't settled. He seems to think that the school board may have been given bad advice, and that Freshwater wants to get on with his life. Unless there's some smoking gun out there, I still don't see any reason not to vote for Steve. |
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 7:46:03 PM
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Well I just watched that too..and found not even a hint of a hidden agenda...
Seems to me..he is just as upset with all that has taken place...bad counsel...money spent that could have been used to the good of the kids.
I think his agenda...tho not hidden...is to put POLICIES in place...and have them followed correctly..that way there is legal leverage if/when a teacher steps out of line..so a Freshwater case doesnt happen again!! Same goes for the situation that allowed the guy to leave...with a LOT of money to sit at home..
well I am with him on THAT AGENDA...which NEEDS to be put in place asap
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
USA
2930 Posts |
Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 7:52:41 PM
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Yes, IF there is no LEGAL conflict...I dont have issues with it...
Ethical conflict usually means.. APPEARANCE of wrong doing..and I dont think Thompson friendship with Freshwater qualifies for that...what is wrong??
Gesh, I am friends with a LOT of people that walk a very different path than I...so I dont condemn Thompson for his friendships. And I have Christian friends in many different churchs...dont believe has they...but still am friends with them...we do have some interesting debates sometimes.
Each is his own...dont see appearance of wrong in Thompson...think he as I wants the school system to run more correctly..and will to put his time and efforts into trying.
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Originally posted by sea breeze
So, cateyes, are you saying that since YOU don't see a LEGAL CONFLICT with Thompson being on the board,. then YOU are ok with it? What about ETHICAL CONFLICT?
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 8:00:33 PM
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Wastintime.....you made a comment about the FCA having time at lunch...it is a club..why cant they meet on their lunch hour???
There is nothing that locks ANY club to only before school.
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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wastintime
Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 8:19:50 PM
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| My feeling about FCA and other clubs is that if you allow one, then you must allow all. You open yourself up to any host of clubs wanting to ply their influence on middle school children. Originally, I supported the efforts of having FCA in our schools. But with all that's happened since then I really think that it has been a hindrance and worked against Christian principles. |
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wastintime
Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 8:25:30 PM
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Originally posted by cateyes
There is nothing that locks ANY club to only before school.
Actually there are specific federal guidelines for club activities in public schools. I couldn't tell you the specific guidelines but just that the guidelines do exist. |
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wastintime
Forum Member
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 8:42:29 PM
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Originally posted by Kim
I just watched the video. I didn't see any hidden agenda. He(Steve) ask why 1 year & $380,000.00 later the issue still isn't settled. He seems to think that the school board may have been given bad advice, and that Freshwater wants to get on with his life. Unless there's some smoking gun out there, I still don't see any reason not to vote for Steve.
I guess I see a conflict when Mr. Thompson clearly implies that he has a personal preference for John Freshwater by singling out him above all other teachers. And I don't see that the board received bad advice. I really think it was good advice especially in light of insubordination, to name just one. A smoking gun? No. But, I'm just wary is all. |
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seabiscuit
Senior Forum Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 10:04:32 PM
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For me, there are just too many connections between Thompson and Freshwater to be comfortable with him getting on the school board in light of the fact that the Freshwater situation is not over and still in litigation.
*Thompson's connection with the Council for Free Expression and the "link" to that webpage disappearing from the Bible On The Desk website.
*Thompson raising money through the Council for Free Expression for Freshwater's lawsuit so that as the legal situation continues, he could potentially be on the Board which is what Freshwater is suing.
*I know that the Thompson's home schooled their youngest and they may have done it with their other children, I don't know for sure. Their daughter did play Middle School sports so had to have a class at the Middle School in order to be eligible to play and that class was Mr. Freshwater's class.
*Thompson's daughter and Freshwater's daughter handed out Bibles together in front of our next door neighbor's house together last year on Halloween night.
*I felt that Andrew Thompson's testimony during the hearing was filled with conjecture which he did not base on any specific facts, just what he thought might have happened and it was apparent from his testimony that there was other family member input into his thinking.
It's obvious that there is a strong connection between the families. I don't have a problem with that but when you are talking about taking a position where you need to have objectivity regarding a key issue involving that friend, I think it's only fair to say that most people would recognize that conflict and not put themselves in that situation.
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cateyes
Senior Forum Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 02:44:44 AM
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Yes, and that is exactly why a faith club has as many rights as any other club...or you will see the school system in court over it...many school districts already been there..learned that.
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Originally posted by cateyes
There is nothing that locks ANY club to only before school.
Actually there are specific federal guidelines for club activities in public schools. I couldn't tell you the specific guidelines but just that the guidelines do exist.
“On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?” —Thomas Jefferson
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mountvernon1805
Forum Member
USA
50 Posts |
Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 11:17:48 AM
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I've uploaded the full video of the October 8 "Mount Vernon Schools Going Forward." (I'm in the process of uploading the video from October 13 forum.)
The video is hosted on Veoh.com and requires download of their player to view it in its entirety. Length is one hour and 48 minutes. (Please note: I cannot control the content of any ads they place in the video or other content on Veoh.com.)
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/news/watch/v19200178F2FFj9Pz
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